He even reflected that for a second he forgot his urge to kill. Griffith is almost teasing readers by appearing only when the plot calls for it, which makes each of his appearances more impactful and chilling. Reddit, Inc. 2023. And then there's when Guts and the Hawks discover Griffith broken and tortured body, Guts cries while holding him and then goes well, berserk all over the Midland guards holding Griffith captive, killing them in great swaths. So griffith tried to force guts into staying, griffith wanted more time, he really believed that guts was eventually gonna come around. When Griffith talked to the Princess about Dreams, he said that there are men who desire to rule the world or to live for a sword, is it right? she expresses her feeling of love, the chaser confesses feelings to the chased. Guts is 100% human. All rights reserved. After the way he acted out, the way he's looking at the two. For the first time ever someone resisted Griffiths charisma, someone left him on their own. the Eclipse, shipping these two would count as, sacrificing his men to the Godhand, turning into a demon, and then raping Casca, his love interest. He was already doing it. He had empathy for everything else, but it was all a means to the two. Pre-Eclipse, when the Hawks parade to the castle after winning the final battle of the war, in addition to Casca getting praised by women in the crowd a male character appears to praise Corkus much to his disgust. I feel the love right there. It comes from him not from anyone wanting to change him. But idk Ive mused about that before here if anyones interested. Or just relies on the phrase. I dont think he planned to treat Guts like a friend and equal while asking him to assassinate someone, and I dont think he actually thought to himself, oh right, Im his commander, not his friend. I think it just came naturally for him to ask Guts instead of ordering him, and I think it came naturally to pontificate about how he doesnt have friends while talking to Charlotte, and Guts reminding him that hes his boss is at least partly why, even if Griffith himself doesnt make that connection. Guts loves Caska, Caska loves griffith, griffith loves Guts. Some fans think the full line could be As ifhes in love with you, Guts fights for all his friends, and Griffith makes a point to tell him How you fight is all for me. All rights reserved. Guts is Griffith's polar opposite. He wants to believe that his dream is inherently noble, he needs to believe that its a worthy pursuit. (Photo: Koei Tecmo) Casca began as a member of the Band of the Hawk, acting as a captain who assisted the leader Griffith in taking the mercenary band to new heights. Catching Elephant is a theme by Andy Taylor. No reason at all, he fell in love because love happens sometimes without rhyme or reason. Together we have faced death so many times. attitude, Corkus you know nothing but fighting, Judeau shoving Guts into a sexual relationship with Casca etc. Griffith knows and accepts the worst and the best of Guts without a desire to change him (unlike Casca constant desire to change Guts but that a different story) and trust the worst and best of himself to Guts in turn. TVTropes is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License. Like okay, we all know that Griffith is in love with Guts, I figure Im probably preaching to the choir here, but its important to understand how huge this is. So I think Griffith has always seen Guts as a friend (during the eclipse he said that Guts was the only one to let him to forget his dream), do you think about it in the same way? As the king is torturing griffith physically griffith is torturing himself mentally. Griffith, however, won't fall for that. Guts eventually joined another mercenary group, the Band of the Hawk. An example was when he easily dealt with the murderous conspiracy in the capital of Midland. Brute strength alone isn't everything. Privacy Policy. Also, despite his denial, Zodd deeply respects Guts and is extremely fond of fighting with or against him. This is Griffith revealing a side of himself that he hasnt revealed to anyone before, except Casca, accidentally - a side of himself that hes ashamed of. The tone and circumstances are obviously very different, but the point of this comparison is the emotional intimacy. Griffiths dream means everything to him, its something he would go to the ends of the earth for. When Rickert slaps Griffith across the face Sir Locus becomes livid and would have demanded satisfaction if not for the White Hawk's orders. Griffith is still his commander. As Eclipse foreshadowing its great, but as a character moment it raises a lot of questions. and our However, this love is also marked by a deep and intense pain and suffering, as both Guts and Griffith struggle to come to terms with their feelings and the harsh reality of their world. She's just meat. It begins with Griffith putting his life and dream on the line for Guts despite consciously telling Guts and himself that Guts is expendable, and three years later we pick the story back up when Griffith does it again. Though she had been. With Casca wanting to change Guts Im mostly talking about the reckless behaviour and disregard for the rest of the band as well as running into fights with Zodd and getting Griffith hurt. Just like the God hand he was always there, you just didn't realize it. It is a story that is both uncomfortable and powerful, as it explores the complexities and nuances of human emotion and the harsh realities of life in a brutal and violent world. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Though also kind of ironic, since Guts didnt actually change when he left lol despite that being his intention, he just kept doing the exact same thing (fight ppl) and decided to call that his dream. Which still happens after the eclipse. the polar opposite of his reaction to First Kids death entirely for the sake of Not only can Griffith lead an entire army into battle, he can also do some fighting himself, and he ranks among Berserk's best swordsmen. For fans of the manga Berserk and its adaptations. That may be a level of love and desire even beyond the bounds of romantic desire. But these villains are often taken by surprise when another party schemes right back. Catching Elephant is a theme by Andy Taylor, Part Two - a persons heart cant be sustained by dreams and ideals alone. highlighting that difference. He wanted to hurt Guts, so he did that by raping Casca. So idk basically I think I agree with you that Guts is definitely influenced by others a lot, but I think the influence other characters have on Guts is generally positive, while Cascas is oddly negative, at least while she is a character. Zodd has this going on with the Skull Knight. Shit is really interesting with griffith around. It's common for anime villains to orchestrate grand schemes to get what they want and reshape society, such as Father in Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood. Then, after an exchange about the behelit, Guts asks Griffith that question once again. Two things happen right before this moment. JMP April 16, 2015 #2 I love the scene between Guts and Casca where they're about to go into the secret passageway to rescue Griffith and Casca realizes Guts is worried about her. Guts and Griffith are the first to come to mind, as they have some seriously suggestive subtext going on. 748 likes, 8 comments - Carlos Flores (@charlycooc) on Instagram: "#griffith #guts #berserk #anime #animeedits" Note, naturally, before becoming Femto, Griffith did had some semblance of empathy towards his band. to the end. Being in love means knowing both the worst and the best of While this occurs the same music that plays when Guts and Casca made love starts playing. I think in an alternate universe where Guts liked Griffith back, even after the torture, where Guts properly embraced Griffith and didn't "drift away" into Casca Griffith wouldn't have made the sacrifice. For more information, please see our Griffith envied him and only recruited him as a way to show he was better than Guts. Griffith finally feels what he puts everyone else through, unreciprocated love. But in a sense he still has Guts as an attachment. WHERE DOES HE GO IMMEDIATELY? However, before turning into Femto when hes commenting on how he feels about Guts he says Of all the thousands of comrades and enemies, only you and you alone made me forget my dream. As soon as he sees Guts face, he gives him a sad smile before performing the sacrifice necessary to become Femto while Guts tries desperately to reach him. Guts is blunt, straightforward and honest. This is what stokes the flames of his ambition. He probably had some loose idea of keeping Guts attached by his side while he ruled. Reddit, Inc. 2023. But looking back after Cascas flashback once again gives this speech depth. However Guts is a phenomenol warrior and became invaluable to Griffith's success, causing Griffith to try and save him from Zodd. The reason he picked Guts is the very first sentence: Its dirty work.. When he meets Puck he starts to chill out a little, joining the Hawks gives him people to care about and a reason to swing his sword other than for the hell of it, Griffith demonstrating his feelings for him by risking his life for him gives him confidence and emotional security, the RPG group also helps him chill out and gives him new people to care about, yk. You will fight for my cause, because you belong to me.. He sees guts and what does he say? He felt pain at losing people, but in the end, he sacrificed them for his dream. His otherworldly charisma always makes you question whether or not guts reciprocated Griffiths love. Reddit, Inc. 2023. However, Casca eventually fell in love with Guts. Their relationship is very complex, but what's really consistent in the series is Griffith's monologues and acts of sacrifice he did for Guts multiple times during their time in the Band of Falcons. For Griffith, Guts is a stone on which he can sharpen his sword and his mind, and he needs to have Guts around for that reason. Then when NeoGriffith comes backs he basically says he is over Guts which deflates in Guts all that Ive search so many nights for ya Griffith. He has performed some remarkable feats with the blade, including the time he didn't just dodge Guts' sword but jumped up and stood on it. Just read the manga [deleted] 2 yr. ago hforoni 2 yr. ago Griffith only really harbored feelings for Guts in this bro-esque, extremely "best friends since second grade" way. griffguts, meta, criticism, fangirling. Privacy Policy. Griffith, for example, knows how to use his natural charisma to win the trust and admiration of everyone around him. Yes. While Griffith's good deeds don't absolve him of his crimes, those good deeds still prove that he's not just evil for evil's sake. He wakes up the next day and is captured. In the beginning, Griffith was a charismatic man who used others as his pawns to acheive his dream of having his own kingdom. dead-child-related guilt issues, so whats the deal? This is very important for explaining his feeling about guts. Its similar to I will decide the place where you die, in the sense that its Griffith repressing his feelings by owning the inevitable cruelties of his dream. that Griffith is even better at denial than he is at waging war. 3 y I wouldn't say love but a deep and complicated respect for one another. F/F, F/M, Multi. and perhaps part of Griffith found that Griffith is just cool with it and still happy with whatever Guts choose to change of himself and I think its Griffiths respect for peoples free will and his tendency to taking Guts as he is. This makes their relationship all the more uncomfortable for the reader, as it is a constant reminder of the brutal and harsh nature of the world in which they live. Did he really have feelings for Charlotte? The dark fantasy anime Berserk became widely beloved for its interesting and memorable plot twists. The leader was Griffith, a handsome young man who was as charismatic as he was philosophically brilliant, yet with the battle prowess and tactical genius needed to be a great military leader.. RELATED: Berserk: 10 Human Villains Even Worse Than The Apostles Griffith developed a close bond with Guts as the two became best . I am all caught up on all the content as well. I guess its because they themselves chose to fight., This is what Griffith says when he begins self-harming in the river. Cookie Notice I dont think Guts intended to distance himself - it reads like a tension-breaking joke to me, but its a joke based on truth. i fucking love griffith. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Griffith isnt lying to Charlotte here, so much as hes lying to himself. Permissions beyond the scope of this license may be available from thestaff@tvtropes.org. With Casca she is just not enough for Guts to want to change here and well he is not sorry but when he apologies to Griffith its out of his own volition not because Casca yells at him but because he is Griffith believes that ambition, rivalry, and friendship can all be combined into one relationship, hence his rivalry and friendship with Guts. What Im saying is that its a distancing tactic. This gay love story is one that is not only uncomfortable for the reader, but also for the characters themselves as they struggle to navigate the complexities of their feelings and the harsh reality of their world. So he can not go for Casca either. Which it did, as sleeping with Charlotte earned him the torture. This of course has some repercussions in regards to the threads of fate that weave through Berserk's universe. Why did Griffith do that to Casca? reaction is pleased. Also, Griffith trusted Guts with the seedier elements of his power plays and opened up to him more than anyone, even Casca. He was the founder and leader of the mercenary unit known as the Band of the Hawk. Or maybe Griffith's attachment to Guts is the wrench in fate that Skull Knight is pondering about. But starting in the Conviction story arc, Griffith makes far fewer appearances, and for all the right reasons. Or before Guts and the Band Of The Hawk rescue Griffith after his year long torture Griffith is shown thinking about all his feelings of hate, indignation, friendship, sorrow, and, When Casca fell off a cliff feverish from her period with Guts taking her to a cave Casca says the following line when Guts came into the Band of the Hawks: But even soI tried to convince myself that Griffith wanted youJust for your strength. The first thing he does is encounter Guts at the Band of the Hawk burial. Can Griffith actually love another person? He chooses to follow Griffiths weird friendship criteria to the letter. As we all know griffith wasn't above using sex to get what he wants. It's pretty clear that he isn't in love with Charlotte's personality, and doesn't see her as anything more than a naive girl to be manipulated for her royal title, so I think he took her out of a lust that was tied up in his need to score a victory and reassert the sense of emotional dominance that had been shattered when Guts defeated him and w. Finally griffith comes to the realization and says to the king, "you're waiting for your daughter to come to you." Then Griffith betrayed the Band and became the villain Femto, and that is then that his true nature was put on full display. For more information, please see our Three years later the first notable plot event we see after one chapter of establishing off-screen character development and where-are-they-now-ing is Griffith risking his life for Guts again, to an even greater, more irrational extent this time. And some anime villains, such as the masked All For One or the scheming Sosuke Aizen, never seem to show any real personal flaws aside from extreme hubris. And of course Guts questions him directly while Griffith avoids answering: And we get more helpful commentary on how surprising Griffiths actions here are from the peanut gallery: The next morning Guts broaches the topic again, after accepting Griffiths initial brush-off. When Guts decided to leave the band, this is why he broke down and anxiously slept with the princess to deal with his pain. This is obvious in the drawings. Cue in the, During the Hawks parade to the castle after winning the final battle of the war, lots of women in the crowd. And like the waterfight to speech sequence three years ago, this is another instance of Griffith pulling back and trying to re-prioritize his dream over Guts, pushing down and repressing his actual feelings for Guts to focus on dreams. Here Griffith is treating Guts like an equal and friend, and its Guts who reminds them that Griffith is the boss and hes the subordinate. He referred to himself and guts, in my opinion, because he wanted Guts to join the Haws (Griffith never said anything like that to anyone else) and saved his life few times also if it wasn't the best rational choice. All rights reserved. There's also why Guts left in the first place. When others try to change Guts because of how they believe he should be or what they think his desires should be (regardless of them being right or wrong about the issue) things tend to go bad vs when Guts happy with himself or makes his own choice for himself. THE HILL OF SWORDS. Does Casca love Guts or Griffith? RELATED: 10 Berserk Storylines Are Still Left Hanging. They are my valuable comrades, devoting themselves to the dream I envision But to me, a friend is something else. Scan this QR code to download the app now. Wow, this was a good read, ty for the in depth response. FUCKING LIAR. I suggested that they were drawn to each other based on a similarity, but another way of looking at it is Griffiths goal orientedness vs Guts aimlessness. Where to even begin? She worshipped him, she admired him. His otherworldly charisma always makes you question whether or not guts reciprocated Griffiths love. Griffith doesn't chase, he is chased. Not only that, he may have ordered Rakshas to murder Rickert. But on a more superficial level, Griffith was definitely different during his time as the Band of the Hawks' heroic leader, giving his character a sense of evolution and change. Going after Femto and Godhand, leaving behind the others then Guts comes back Godo scolds him Gutsrealize he shouldnt have left, now holds on to Casca as the last light of the band of the hawk and original Griffith and he has to be reminded by Godo that those are irreplaceable things and I dont think he would have concluded that without Godo. Its his way of insisting to himself that he is what everyone believes him to be - an idealistic philosopher king waiting for his throne, justified in everything he does because its his perogative as a person to pursue a dream and achieving it is its own validation and proof that it was a worthy venture, rather than a monster walking a path of corpses. Now remember, Guts thinks this is bullshit. Zodd has two worthy opponents in Skull Knight and Guts. reason to live. Judeau also shifts from telling Guts hes found his place with the Hawks to telling Guts to take off with Casca once he starts shipping them. He literally only had two pillars in life. Trivia VideoGame WMG YMMV VideoExamples More Create New Hooo boy. genuinely sorry (esp to Griffith). And Goku can create multiple afterimages to distract Guts and hit him. Griffith does what he wish guts would've done and kisses the chaser. Both Casca and Guts are shown glimpses of the real Griffith underneath the armour, underneath the veneer of perfection he puts on. At the heart of the relationship between Guts and Griffith is a deep and intense love that is rooted in their shared experiences and bond as comrades in battle. I feel like idk, my take on this is that in general Guts relationships with others are positive and encourage like, organic growth in him lol. He segues immediately from that into his elegant statement about his dream and how Guts is totally going to die for it - when he chooses.***. Casca fell in love with Griffith when he empowered and inspired her, but Griffith was more intrigued by Guts, whom he viewed as "his." Because you are mine., Rosine the "Elf Queen" Apostle and her childhood friend Jill, two minor characters in a story arc shortly after the Eclipse, get some, Post-Eclipse Casca gets a few bathing scenes. everyone pursues griffith. and no longer feels any guilt, or that hes so thoroughly buried his When guts leaves griffith, griffith feels unwanted for the first time in his life. Griffith has dropped hints to guts every now and then and guts has flirted back, even when they first met guts flirted, but neither one of them wants to take it to the next level. Home Lists Berserk: 5 Worst Things Griffith Did (& 5 Best) By Jella Via Erhard Published Oct 21, 2020 Griffith is a complex character that Berserk fans both love and hate, and here are five of his greatest mistakes, along with five of his triumphs. I know this started out about Cascas desire to change Guts but I feel its all tied together. May be a level of love, the Band of the Hawk burial surprise! 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